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The Curious Path Of Crude Oil Prices

For 30 years from 1945 to 1975, Crude Oil remained in a relatively stable range between $2 and $10 per barrel. The suddenly things changed.

For 30 years from 1975 to 2005, Crude Oil remained in a relatively stable range between $10 and $40 per barrel. Then things changed.





JC,
To understand what changed in the early 1970s google "nixon shock" and "bretton woods system".  Its also will help you understand why we have not been experiencing the deflation that you have been expecting/predicting.  

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What Happened to Oil Prices II (read the post on the previous page first)

That old saying about laws being like sausage "if you like sausage don't

watch it being made" was never more appropriate than this hearing.

The Democrats on the panel take a typical partisan stance on gas and

oil prices. After putting aside the grandstanding there are some

significant points made. The important parts of the hearing are extracted

from the transcript, it's faster reading than watching. The full transcript

is much longer than the few pieces here.

 

At one point in the discussions the case was made that the 2008 $35 bottom

in oil was a measure of the true cost without the gouging by the NY Invest-

ment banks. We've discussed the same point in this forum for a couple of

years.

 

Rep. DeLauro sets the tone at the introduction. Her ratio of Speculators

to Commercials is fairly accurate, Goldman-Sachs estimate is self-serving

and far too low. The ratio should be based on relative contract volume.

 

De Lauro confers too much credit on Dodd-Frank. New CFTC regulations

are being created that will have dubious results on the elimination of

the Investment Bank Speculators control. (See transcript on CFTC Chairman)

 

The funding of an additional $100 million (beyond an additional $308 million)

for more "cops on the beat" at CFTC is a sad example of pork barrel politics

diverting focus from the real problem. The battle for this extra $100 million

surfaces throughout the hearing. Nowhere is their given a method by which

the $100 million was calculated. At the end Prof. Greenberger just waves his

hand and says $100 million is nothing when compared to the $10 billion extra

Americans must pay every month at the gas pumps.

 

Rep. De Lauro at the end mentions that the CFTC may have to reset margins

and position limits as if this was new to Dodd-Frank.

 

Transcript: 

House Democratic Steering and Policy Committee 4/4/2012

Rep. Rosa DeLauro: Goldman-Sachs estimates speculators at 20% to the

price of gasoline. President of Mobile said oil should $60 to $70. Speculators now make

up 60% to 80% of the market. Dodd Frank gave CFTC new wide powers to investigate.

Republs have allegedly tried to gut the CFTCs new powers in Dodd Frank. CFTC needs

$308 million for investigators. 696 million barrels in the Strategic Reserve, release some

to reduce speculation. CFTC may have to reset margins and position limits.

 

Rep. Markeys' 4 point plan has only two pertinent parts, points 2 and 3.

He seems to be the only one on the panel who is aware that refined oil

in the form of gasoline an diesel fuel is being exported from the US while

Americans cut back on purchases only to encounter higher gasoline

prices.

 

The President has recently sped approval permits for the Cushing Oklahoma

to Louisiana pipeline. At the same time the President and stalled the

Keystone pipeline from Canada to Cushing. This is all contrary to Mr. Markeys

desire which is to speed delivery to the US only. The Presidents' move will

transport more oil to the gulf for delivery to points outside the US thus

raising the demand for Cushing and thus raising US gas prices. The

Keystone pipeline would have provided cheap transportation costs to Cushing

but more expensive rail and truck transport to Louisiana.

 

Transcript: 

Mr. Markey: $3.93 per gallon national average. 1) use Strategic Reserve, oil dipped

by several dollars when this was suggested 2) Stop Wall Street speculators who have

made commodites a oil casino. Repubs have tried to shrink CFTC budget to investigate

3) End Exploitation of resources, 1 billion barrels of US petroleum and fuel

(gasoline and diesel) sent overseas last year to China, Morocco and Singapore,

this exportation should stop, repubs resisted , wants to stop export of petroleum and

fuels from American lands 4) End subsidies for oil companies

 

(For a surprising and clear view of the invisible counter-forces at play you

must read Mr. Greenbergers' 3 point plan below the video --- pay particular

attention to point 3.)

 

Here's the video of the Gas Price - Oil Price hearing.

Professor Michael Greenberger is a long time Washington consultant/lobbyist
in addtion to being a teacher. Most interesting is his earlier career as a
Futures trader for a large financial organization.

(This post almost disappeared again so please excuse the messy text at the
bottom. I just posted "as is" to prevent losing all this work again.)

Transcript
Michael Greenberger, Univ. Of Maryland Law School Prof. there is a quick fix for
his, he has 3. Europe is on its back so is Japan, the US is back. Ever increasing gas
prices will stop this recovery. It “will break the back of this recovery”. Saudi King

will increase oil production 25% to make up for any blockage of the straits of Hormuz. 60
international experts agree that there is equilibrium between oil supply and demand,
there is no shortage. Noriel Roubini, London School… When the national price of
gasoline goes over $4 per gallon this will become a bi-partisan issue. …

 

Why is the price of oil rising so high (above Mobils’ estimate above) if there is no shortage?

Do not believe those who say there is a supply-demand problem. The problem

is Wall Street speculation on oil. It is similar to the gambling Wall Street did on

its’ sub-prime mortgage bets. Now they are betting on the upward price of oil.

 

Excessive speculation --- which is another name for gamblers  wearing Wall

Street suits. Have taken these markets over and are controlling the price of oil

By gambling you do not increase the amount of oil or create national economic

well being. We have a Las Vegas exponentially on steroids. We were too kind

in Dodd Frank. We delegated the responsibility.

 

3 recommendations for Congress, this is NOT a supply problem. Supply is plentiful, we are net exporters of oil! Gambling must be stopped!!

1) Investment vehicles called Commodity IndexSwaps and Synthetic Exchange Traded Funds, Like naked credit default swaps earlier (CDS) that led to meltdown that were really bets on MBSs, --- Are a  half $trillion of investments that are sending false messages that there are shortages in the oil market. Those false signals are damaging the

the supply mechanisms in the oil markets. That gambling must be stopped, it will NOT have anything to do with production, none of it goes to production, none of it goes to liquidity, it’s all casino gambling and nothing productive.

 

2) There a manipulations in the market by big financial traders that are conspiring to drive prices up. Obama has asked the Justice Department twice to convene a prosecutorial investigation, he did it first on April 21st 2011, oil was at $110 within 6 months it was at $75. But nothing happened at Justice and now the price is back at $110 again. Now the President has asked for a task force to investigate. All of us have to work

with Justice to explain to them the manipulation in the oil market is not only crippling the

American consumer but it threatens the recovery of the US economy.

 

If we go back into recession there’s going to be no safety net, no TARP, the American

people don’t have the stomach for bailing out banks. If we don’t have a safety net we’re

going into a Depression. This has got to be the Attorney Generals’ number one investigative process.

 

Where is the FBI? Where are the interviews of market participants, where are the subpoenas? Focus on this let’s get these guys going. If there is a real investigation just the appearance of it will cause these cockroaches to scatter because the light will be turned

on. They don’t want to go to jail and if they think If they think they are not gong to jail

they will keep damaging the US Economy.

 

3) The American people must know that the Commodity Trading Futures Commission

is the cop on the beat that can stop this problem. Under leadership of Chairman Gensler** appointed by President Obama, they have done an amazing job but they are completely underfunded.

(Mr. Greenberger failed to mention that Mr. Gensler is a former Goldman-Sachs man that was just recently (several months) placed in the CFTC Chairmans position as the reform process started, think Hank Paulson former CEO of GS just appointed Treasury Secretary who created the $700 billion TARP bailout or ---- think Foxes and Chicken Coops)



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What Happened To Crude Oil Prices III

As you can see after reading Part II above and watching the video there are
curious partners in the CFTC reform movement. The possiblity of real reform
in the CFTC and the commodity markets is about as likely as TARP reformed
the Investment Banks.

So what should be done? Reform is possible and a return to low gas prices
is also possible but only if all the moving parts of the Petroleum-Gasoline
puzzle are understood. On one point all the critics, including me, of the
current commodity markets agree -- there is no shortage of crude oil.

On a second point there is almost universal agreement in the US, and that is
crude oil prices in the US are set in New York (perhaps to a lesser extent ICE
which I think is in Georgia)---- not Saudi Arabia or Mexico or South America
or Russia or the Middle East. We are doing this high gas price damage to
ourselves.

There are 3 main parts to the domestic oil puzzle
1) Lands open for drilling
2) New refineries
3) Speculator dominated market prices

For example in 2009 there was a medium oil field found in Bakersfield Ca. I think Oxy
Petroleum (Armand Hammers old company) now owns and develops
it. Another field, probably larger than in Bakersfield, has recently been discovered in
Western Nevada. Then of course there is the Bakken and other fields in the
Dakotas/Montana area and up into Canada. Let's not overlook the vast sea
field off the coast of Alaska near Wrangle Island, which the President may
cede to Russia.

Depending on who you ask we haven't built a new refinery in 20 or 30 years
We have closed refineries in that time period. Refineries turn oil into gasoline
So more people and more cars over the last 20 - 30 years but less refineries.
Even with gobs of oil it will be no good without refineries.

Crude oil comes in many grades -- WTI West Texas Intermediate is
sweet, meaning low sulphur, many parts of the world produce high
sulphur content oil which requires special refineries to produce useable
fuels. These refineries are very expensive. China for example has
unfortunately set up shop in several high sulphur oil foreign countries. The
cost for domestic Chinese high sulpher oil refineries was so great they
decided not to build them but resell the oil.

Both of the above factors add to the cost of domestic US gasoline. Neither
of them can hold a candle to the whopping cost increase added by the
friendly Goldman-Sach, JP Morgan, Morgan-Stanley ... middlemen in New York.
There is a solution for this too, and its' not Dodd-Frank. It only requires that
the Special Speculators no longer be treated as Commercials. This would
require a CFTC Chairman capable of enforcing the rules as understood way
back when Glass-Steagall was written. But that is another story.






 


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Confirmation of the Decline in Revenues As Shown in State Corporate Taxes Last Week

We left that discussion with the question "How much longer can earnings magic support higher stock prices?" Not very long as we see below.

Note that revenues have declined slower than earnings (margin). This means revenues have been increased or maintained by lowering prices and profits to maintain sales volume. This is the same "end game" move we noticed in the State Corporate data. Even though this data is more opmistic than the State Corporate Tax data it still shows margins will be negative in very short order.

This decline is also reflected in the declining prices for the industrial commodities oil, copper and aluminum shown on the previous page last week.
Note Mr. Kleintops' comments on the serious drop in the materials sector.

Mr. Kleintop probably got his data from corporate financial reports. I would trust the State Tax data more.

Jeffrey Kleintop on Profit Growth Deceleration

Posted: 11 Apr 2012 07:30 AM PDT

Jeffrey Kleintop is the Chief Market Strategist at LPL Financial, today he's out with a piece discussing his expectations for earnings season.  I found this bit on the slowdown in profit growth to be very important to keep in mind...

Profit Margins

The analyst consensus forecast of 3% earnings growth in the first quarter is the slowest growth rate since the recovery in earnings began in 2009. The weakness stems from the end of profit margin expansion. Analysts expect earnings to track revenue growth of about 4%.

Over much of the past few years, companies were able to post earnings growth rates that were several times the pace of revenue growth as profit margins expanded, granting more profit per dollar of sales. However, the ability to post faster earnings growth than revenue growth has faded; rising costs have contributed to slower earnings gains relative to revenue. In fact, nearly a quarter of S&P 500 companies are expected to report a year-over-year drop in earnings per share despite year-over-year revenue gains in the first quarter. Three sectors are expected to post earnings declines despite revenue growth. The most dramatic of these is the Materials sector, where 5% revenue growth is expected to accompany a -15% decline in earnings.

Chart 2: Slowing Revenue and Earnings Growth

S&P 500 Revenue and Earnings per Share Growth Rates

Source:  LPL Financial, FactSet Data Systems, and Thomson Reuters


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Livin' - it's looks like I'm currently ahead in our most recent wager of GLD vs. GDXJ:  GLD is up 4% and GDXJ is up 1%

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=GDXJ+Interactive#symbol=gdxj;range=20120402,2012 0412;compare=gld;indicator=volume;charttype=area;c rosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undef ined;

I hope this link works - and shows a performance comparison from 4-1-2012 to 4-12-2-12

Here's the seasonal pattern for gold.



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re: stocks

Do you still think the S&P 500 is going to take out it's most recent highs at 1,420??

It's around 1,387 right now.

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Letter from Jim Sinclair ...

The stock market takes a one day multi-hundred point drop and we hear a new round of sterilized QE is on the table from New York Fed president Dudley.

What kind of fools do they take us to be?

QE sterilized is a world class oxymoron similar to Jumbo Shrimp and the Great War.

Consider what will happen here and in Euroland as all of this foolishness hits the fan. The answer is good old debt monetization.

QE to infinity is as sure as death and taxes.

Respectfully,
Jim Sinclair

My response?  Yep. 

The bottom line is the Fed and USG cannot crash their own lifestyle.  Thus, to defend its lifestyle, they will just increase the amount of money in the system through QE - which is another word for monetizing debt and currency debasement.


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CPI numbers are out:  0.3% headline and 0.2% core, or 2.7% Y/Y

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RC,

I do think the S&P will continue higher at least into May.. that's been my target right along.though with that said i think i stated earlier i sold half my SPY when the S&P was just under 1400...summer has been scary the last 3 years and May has generally been a good time to exit or peel back..  Yesterdays surge was good so I thimk we still have life....  If China comes out with 9% growth..the doors will fly open again but i do think we are closer to the top than not.

on the other end..Gold and gold stocks made a nice move yesterday..  Gold corrected today but interestingly enough the miners held ground pretty well.. Both are still in extreme oversold territory..  this should change.. they never stay way oversold too long.. they do have a habit of drifting sideways to down for months on end after epic runups.. we've seen this with silver last spring and gold last summer.... just look at silver..it went from 18 to 49 in 6-7 short months...and has found ground in the low 30s for the past year now.  gold did retreat from its high of 1950, but never below any significant up channel.

gold and gold stocks remain the best value on my charts.  all other commodities are in middle ground.. meaning not a great time to buy, but no panic to sell..but as such I think its prudent to shave just to preserve the gains.

at some point this year.. a lot of what Johhny Cash has been saying should pan out.. I think we will see a sustained market correction for a year or 2.. aka.. 2001-2003.  Despite good fundamentals I think most stocks will follow the general markets down.. I think this cyclical bull has almost run its course and im dissapointed my miners still have yet to participate..ugh...(but they still have 6 weeks!)  always tough to judge both the tops and bottoms.. that's y i think leveraging in and out is so important.

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Haha.  Exactly !!
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RC,





at some point this year.. a lot of what Johhny Cash has been saying should pan out.. I think we will see a sustained market correction for a year or 2.. aka.. 2001-2003.  Despite good fundamentals I think most stocks will follow the general markets down.. I think this cyclical bull has almost run its course and im dissapointed my miners still have yet to participate..ugh...(but they still have 6 weeks!)  always tough to judge both the tops and bottoms.. that's y i think leveraging in and out is so important.

cheers








I don't think consumer confidence could stomach another 40-50% fall in the U.S. stock market right now.  The U.S. economy is already barely hanging on.

Thus, I envision more QE (money printing) by the Fed coming up - and this added liquidity taking stock prices even higher.

Of course, I trust what I see happening in the markets - i.e. which way the trends are moving - way more than I trust what I think will happen.
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I agree

The fed will be quick to print and print and print. 

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Another Confirmation of the Earnings Problem

Yesterday Gary Shilling forecast a severe drop in stock prices based on shrinking earnings. This earnings evaporation is exactly what the decline in selected commodities, State Corporate Tax Revenues and Mr. Kleintops' analysis revealed. Even earlier than the fundamental analyses above, Elliott Wave technical analysis revealed a dangerous change in the near future.

Economist Shilling: Stocks to Drop 43 Percent, Plunging US Into Recession

Thursday, 12 Apr 2012 10:34 AM

By Greg Brown MoneyNews.com

The disappointing March jobs report is just the beginning of a decline in U.S. consumer spending that will tip the country back into recession, clobbering stocks and reviving the bond market, says investor A. Gary Shilling.

He sees not a short-term correction but a huge 43 percent decline for the S&P 500, and he predicts that 30-year bond yields will fall to 2.5 percent, while the 10-year Treasury could hit 1.5 percent.

“You’ve got the foreign earnings that don't look good because of recession unfolding in Europe, a stronger dollar, so they are translation losses. A hard landing in China. In the U.S., we could see a moderate recession led by consumer retrenchment,” Shilling told Bloomberg Television in an interview.

He predicts that S&P 500 operating earnings will come in at $80 per share, down from analysts’ estimates of more than $100 now. In a column, he goes on to state that the P/E ratio for the index could fall to 10 and that the index itself could fall to 800, from about 1,400, leading to a “massive bear market.”

In preparation, Shilling says he is long on U.S. debt, short stocks, short commodities and long the U.S. dollar.

The United States might look relatively good compared to the rest of the world (“the best horse in the glue factory,” Shilling says), but it is dependent on a consumer recovery that is increasingly hard to imagine, he contends.

The Labor Department last week said that the U.S. economy added just 120,000 new jobs in March after several months above the 200,000-job monthly pace.

The country is now in the longest stretch of high unemployment since the Great Depression, according to the Congressional Budget Office. A total of 12.7 million Americans are jobless, 40 percent of them over the long term.

Throw in consumer and student debt and the pressure to save for retirement, plus depressed home prices, and there’s just no gas in the engine for a recovery, Shilling argues.

Incomes have simply not kept up. Of course, the real key behind that is employment. It looked earlier like jobs were picking up and that was going to provide the income and people would spend it, so on, so forth,” Shilling says. “But the employment report that we got last week throws cold water on that.”

It won’t take much more bad news to really slow things down, he warns. “If consumers retrench, there isn’t really anything else in the U.S. economy that can hold things up," Shilling says.(I'm sure Mr. Shilling considered all possible actions of the Fed before making this conclusion)

He says that even cash is better than stocks at this juncture. “Cash, although it does not pay anything, is an alternative. My 30-year favorite long Treasury bonds, I we're headed for 2.5 percent there,” Shilling says. "I think 1.5 is possible on the 10-year.”

A strong rebound in the bond market might give the Federal Reserve some breathing room. Some members of the Fed’s rate-setting committee have been warning that rates would have to rise sooner and faster than the market might expect.

Not Janet Yellen. The vice-chair of the central bank this week said that the late 2014 target for virtually zero interest rate is appropriate and hinted that a new round of monetary easing was possible.

"I consider a highly accommodative policy stance to be appropriate in present circumstances. But considerable uncertainty surrounds the outlook, and I remain prepared to adjust my policy views in response to incoming information," Yellen said a speech at New York University, cited by Reuters.

"In particular, further easing actions could be warranted if the recovery proceeds at a slower-than-expected pace, while a significant acceleration in the pace of recovery could call for an earlier beginning to the process of policy firming."

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Livin' -- this is generous of you.

"at some point this year.. a lot of what Johhny Cash has been saying should pan out.. I think we will see a sustained market correction for a year or 2.. aka.. 2001-2003.  Despite good fundamentals I think most stocks will follow the general markets down.. I think this cyclical bull has almost run its course"

Let's think about the future and come up with some interesting alternatives. First, let me ask you a question, Is there anything the Fed can do to maintain the Bull market? I ask this because I'm still concerned that the Fed and the PPT may have had some influence on the market resurrection in March of '09.

In other words what may happen next should have happened in '09 or '10.

So if, and this is a big IF, ... if the Fed and PPT effected a change in the '09 market what would prevent them from doing it again? (Shilling above says unemployment and lack of consumer spending would prevent Fed/PPT action or perhaps Shilling means their action would be futile.)

Anyway, putting all that aside there are some big opportunities rising on the short side of the market trend. AAPL being one of many.





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Maximum employment is one of the Feds mandates....I am sure Shilling knows this.  

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JC,

Is there anything the Fed can do??  Yes they did QE1,2 and now maybe more.. but bailing out a sinking ship only works so long.  So in an ironic sort of way I think you've been fundamentally correct but  I think mistimed the longer view.  the 08 crash was arguably the 2nd worst crash in history..A rebound was inevitable..The normal rebound in a cycical bear market is 3 years..This marks the end of that 3 years.. So a reversal (If history repeats itself) should occur.  It should be a classic bear trap, and last as long as the 01-03 correction.

NOW... on the other side of that coin as RC pointed out above..Can we afford that??  No not really, so will QE3 and beyond be injected and further propel the markets (notice I say market. and not the economy..unemployment is not budging)...  yes.. this is possible.. but for how long???? 

I have a dichotomy of thoughts along this line..I suspect we could get a burst if they do QE3.. but i think the likelihood of it sustaining the markets are much less than a year ago or 2 years ago.... the S&P is reaching its multiyear high.. On a couple occaions it tried to break solidly through 1500 and  failed.. I suspect this will be the case again.

history has shown this is what happens during secular bear markets.. the other factor that I'm looking at is big companies reluctance to put their money to work..  the amount of cash AAPL etc.. are sitting on is unprecedented. 

I'm obviously happy the S&P reached my target I predicted last fall, but i'm slowly relinquishing my holdings with the exception of gold and the miners.  I think these are grossly oversold and undervalued based on r-values that i follow.

Oil copper etc are sufficiently priced..I'm still long but less so than 2 months ago a I think this bull is running out of gas.

final thought/s .. If the markets particular gold is going to make a move it needs to do so in the next 2 weeks IMHO.

Oh-ya I agree..at some point AAPL will offer a short opportunity but thats like trying to smother a fire with gasoline!. The better alternative is the TVIX.. 


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JC, I agree with whats being said below.  copied/pasted from your post above.
it'll be a long slow grind down..Just MHO based on stock market history.. 

PE was 7.5 or so in 1982.time will tell..


 he goes on to state that the P/E ratio for the index could fall to 10 and that the index itself could fall to 800, from about 1,400, leading to a “massive bear market.”


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US-Mexico Gun Battle Erupts Into Afghanistan Ferocity --- Violence Reaches New Heights

The situation in Mexico develops into full scale military firefights between the Cartels and Mexican Army/Police.

The Cartels have become brazen -- opening fire on American Police across the Rio Grande. The war spreads north into the US as Zetas engage Houston Police in intense gun battle killing a gang informant in police custody.

Reports of Cartel violence come from as far north as Colorado. There is evidence the Cartels are deliberately taking the war into California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. Cartel members have made open threats against American police officers who interfere with their business.

See this video:v=nX2gtblTeqI&feature=related  US-Mex Border Gunfight Like Afghanistan  --Reporter gets nervous during heavy gunfire within a border city "I'm-ah I'm-ah I'm-ah gonna call my family", small and heavy machine gunfire .50 cal, 20 millimeter machine gun, grenades other explosives.
  Fierce Gunfight On the Rio Grande
  Zetas Attack Houston Police
  Murder Over the Internet

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JC and Livin,

This is just my observation. With the action in the market for the last couple of weeks, this starts to look more like a fourth wave correction. I expect the market to under cut its recent low, S&P 1,359, to 1,335 +/- 5 points. I would view that as a buying opportunity. The 5th wave would take us to Livin's target of 1,450 to 1,500 for the S&P. The sell in "May & go away" saying will likely not working very well this summer IMO. I intend to liquidate 1/2 of my holdings on the 5th wave.

JC, I know you disagree with my wave count, but that's how I was taught & understood it.

Livin, interesting you mentioned the bear and bull cycles. Based on my observation, both bear and bull cycles in recent history tend to be longer compared to before. Therefore, I think this bull cycle will last close to 4 years. Yes, it will likely last till after the November election.

Of course, take my opinion at your own risk.

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Voter Fraud Expose'

Fox News Channel is playing a one hour special called “Stealing Your Vote” this Saturday at 3 pm and repeated Sunday at 9 pm.(times EST) You might want to  record and watch, and tell your friends.
 
If you've ever wondered why there are so many 49%-51% elections then watch. The voter rolls in this county and through out California are years out of date. Even the dead are still eligible in SD county. Long gone college students and military personel remain on our voter rolls. Absentee ballots arriving at these former addresses can be filled out by anyone and returned to the Registrar of Voters (ROV) in SD county.
 
Don't laugh LA and SF, this problem is worse in your counties.
 
In previous elections ballot boxes have gone missing, either at the poll station or the ROV counting room. Procedures are lax. Elections have been stolen, but no one has the nerve to check.
 
Absentee ballots that arrive one day late (no matter what the postmarked date) are just thrown away.
 
Absentee ballots are probably the weakest link in the current voting scandal so vote only at the polls, in person.
 
If you lose control of the electoral process you lose control of the government, and then real property becomes a very soft target.

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Tradings Chart

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The Dutch PM and his cabinet resigned...if only we could be so lucky here.

As much as I dislike Obama and his horrific policies...I guess I should be carefull what I wish for.  

Just like in the Netherlands...our debt problems will eventually be a real issue for our govt.  Extend and pretend can only last so long.  

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A good visual for the race to the bottom...



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Quote:
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A good visual for the race to the bottom...




Very nice visual.  Tells a story, doesn't it?
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 Livin'

S&P 500 is back above 1,400.  

GLD is only down 0.5% from our start date, and GDXJ is down 9%.  GG is getting pounded too.  I guess nobody loves the gold miners these days - DUH!

What's your thinking on the markets right now?



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PIMCO's Bill Gross On when inflation will hit:

"It has already started to hit. Let's look at it this way. In a very slow-growth, in euro land, a very recessionary environment, we still have inflation at over 2%. It is really remarkable. The amount of easing we have seen over the past three years in terms of quantitative easing and extremely low policy rates everywhere has really been an inflationary thrust. I think even the Chairman would be willing to acknowledge that. None of them are willing to acknowledge that it will not come back down. They still think it will be 2% or lower. We suspect not. We suspect, like the Bank of England, Mervyn King always writes letters of apology, saying that the 3% inflation will really become 2%, all we have to do is wait. I think that will be the standard, you know, we will hear from the Chairman and other Fed officials that inevitable inflation will come back down to 2% or maybe lower, but I suspect it will not."


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If inflation rises, interest rates have to rise or the USD will fall.

This video tells you what happens if the interest rate on the US debt rises from its current level of 3% to 4%, 6%, and 8%.



If inflation rises but the Fed elects to keep interest rates artificially low to prevent the budget deficit from getting even worse, the USD falls even more.

Bottom line:  If inflation rises, the bad situation we find ourselves in now only gets worse. 

So anyone hoping for higher rates of inflation, my advice is to be careful what you wish for.

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Where's Livin' and JohnnyC ??

Did you guys burn up in a fire or something ?
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USD, inflation and commodities

Some interesting graphs and tables in this piece from Chris Puplava.  Broad based moves in almost all currencies versus the US$.

Chris Puplava senses a move downward for the dollar is in the wind.

http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/chris-puplava/topping-dollar-good-news-for-commodities-now-bad-news-for-economy-later


Summary
The USD Index recently broke a triangle consolidation to the downside and this break looks like the real McCoy as the USD is displaying weakness on a global basis relative to foreign currencies. Weakness ahead by the USD will be a tailwind to commodities and foreign equities in the immediate future while acting as an economic headwind in 4-6 months as commodity inflation begins to feed into the economy.
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RC -- I'm still here.

Regarding the USD and your graph above, the technicals look for a short term decline in the USD. Still US Treasuries are in high demand. This is the fear factor from Europe which can rise to fever pitch on a moments notice that Spain cannot afford more debt and cannot pay the debt it currently owes. Then there are the other European dominos. On any given day any of these could explode with favorable effects on the USD.

The ISM graph has a relation to the USD, but in times such as these there are other more powerful forces in the Dollars' favor.

Don't forget that the Federal Reserve (that's you American Taxpayer) has now become banker of last resort to the world. The Feds' balance sheet is full of European toxic assets (loans, derivatives ...) which it has exchanged for good old US Treasuries and currency accounts (all on your behalf Mr. US Taxpayer).

The key point here is the Europeans aren't rescuing our banks, but we are theirs. The demand for the USD is reflected in the purchases of US Treasuries by foreign investors and banks.

The Fed can make up or down changes in the USD, by buying or exchanging dollars for shaky Euros the USD will fall, likewise the Fed can sell Euros or toxic Euro denominated instruments for USD and raise the dollars' value. So what we are seeing now, in my opinion, is Fed international politics being reflected in the value of the dollar as Mr. Bs' opinion of the European problem waxes and wanes. (This is not the only factor, Europeans and Chinese investors see the USD as safer than their own currency or bonds. Note this does not say the USD is completely safe, but it is much safer from their perspective.)

Then there is China --- all is not well there as we have suspected for a couple of years. Now however things are much worse. It was only about 3 weeks ago that the top leadership in China made a radical change in personnel as result of a scandal with an individual destined for the top post in the Communist Party.

The underlying reasons are the declining Chinese GDP growth (significantly less by perhaps has much as 3% lower than previously projected) and declines in the Chinese stock markets. These things were first telegraphed by the ridiculous overbuilding in their real estate markets. We watched this develop in real time in this thread.

All of the things above add strength to the USD in the intermediate and long term.

In the short term commodities and the USD will act in inverse of each other as the Dollar declines.

One other point, oil is used in every commodity, for fertilizer, harvesting/mining, packaging/fabricating and shipping. Oil is used by every American employee to get to and from work. Oil is used to move people and goods to every point in the nation. Oil is used to provide electricty to every home, factory, high-rise and store in the country. When oils' price falls all other prices fall too.

There is plenty of oil, and plenty of domestic oil, the only obstacles are political "realities" and counter-free market speculator "realities", not reality.

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Minh --- are you using Elliott Wave analysis for the 4th wave you discuss?


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