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10)  It just seems like the sensible thing to do, to retain our freedom, our wealth, our safety, and our prosperity ...if not our life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
 


I think California will be more to your liking in 8 years, and if we are fortunate enough to get Pence for another 8, that would really help. Give some of Trumps policies time to transform.
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I think California will be more to your liking in 8 years, and if we are fortunate enough to get Pence for another 8, that would really help. Give some of Trumps policies time to transform.


After thinking about what you just said, I realized that I was not taking into account the Trump effect on the state of California.  I mean, Brown's all spun-up over Trump's immigration policies, energy policies, and what not. 

Never mind that California has been depending on the EPA to do the heavy lifting on the stifling of development, etc.  Now, EPA is effectively having it's jockstrap snapped by Trump's EPA-suing appointee, Scott Pruitt.


BTW, it's so delicious that Trump appointed the same guy to run the EPA that was suing them for 'overreach.'  You can't make this stuff up!

Next, we'll find out that Trump appointed a general, nicknamed "Mad Dog," as the Secretary of Defense, or the capitalist ceo of the largest oil company in the world, to run the state department, or appointed a home schooling advocate to run the Department of Education ...and a black brain surgeon to head the 'brain dead' Department of Housing and Urban Development.   

Gasp, I can hardly scream, I'm so delighted. 

On this level, it just does not get any better than this.  I suppose the normal school girls will get their bathrooms back at Target, and their high schools showers will be gender-specific again?  And we'll stop offering gender-confused convicts free "Addadicktomies?" 

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Next, we'll find out that Trump appointed a general, nicknamed "Mad Dog," as the Secretary of Defense, or the capitalist ceo of the largest oil company in the world, to run the state department, or appointed a home schooling advocate to run the Department of Education ...and a black brain surgeon to head the 'brain dead' Department of Housing and Urban Development.   




And the most critical of these is Betsy Devos. The left are losing their mind over her, because when vouchers are implemented, no longer will the children of this country be subjected to leftist indoctrination in the public school system. Without this indoctrination, the left will fizzle out and cease to exist as anything of significance except perhaps among some know-it-alls in academia. The leftist fascists always go after the children. "Whoever has the youth has the future" -- Hitler (Mein Kampf). “This new Reich will give its youth to no one but will itself take over youth and give to youth its own education and its own upbringing" -- Hitler.

Progressives Hit Trump Ed Sec with Death Threats, Security Costs $7.8 Million

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/08/progressives-hit-trump-ed-sec-with-death-threats-security-costs-7-8-million/

"Education Secretary Betsy DeVos has received far more death threats than any past Ed Secs, the U.S. Marshals told the Washington Post."

"Past Ed Secs garnered far less public notice and were usually protected at much less cost.
But due to the extreme level of threats, DeVos’s security was transferred to the U.S. Marshals."

"Trump’s education chief is opposed by the country’s teachers unions as well as those looking to keep education controlled from Washington D.C."
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‘Calexit’ breaks up, ends petition for 2018 California ballot

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Ayn Rand The Biggest Threat to America


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Some cultures are far more successful than others.  Raising children with the desired cultural values is all important.  Unfortunately union, civil servant, school teachers are instilling their values in our children.  Nobody can resist institutionalizing children to their own political beliefs.  Perhaps we actually have to go through socialism before we can get to capitalism.  Ayn Rand nailed this in her book Atlas Shrugged.  Part II, chapter 10, The Sign of the Dollar describes this.  The Starne family inherits The Twentieth Century Motor Company and institutes a new policy.  "The plan was that everybody in the factory would work according to his ability, but would be paid according to his need", classic Karl Marx.  Of course, everybody quickly needs a whole bunch, but can't hardly work at all.  So nothing gets made.  Compared to an evil system where people get paid corresponding to the value they create.  Democracy, widely touted as the best system in the world when I was young, has a few drawbacks.  People learn that they can vote goodies for themselves to be paid for by their neighbors.  There is plenty to go around, it just needs to be redistributed.  It never occurs to them that people will stop producing value when it doesn't create corresponding value to themselves.  Politicians quickly learn that the purpose of government spending is to buy votes.  Freeways and water aqueducts don't vote.  The purpose of regulation is to gain campaign contributions.  You can't wield personal power if you are not elected.  Hopefully our children will survive the socialism to get to the capitalism.  I'm glad I won't be around to see it. 
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I've concluded that socialism only works if you assume that man is basically good.  On the other hand, capitalism works regardless of what you believe.

Meantime, for socialists, God is irrelevant, superfluous, if not a hindrance to ones' freedom.

By contrast, if man is basically evil, freedom without God is impossible.

Our founders believed that man was not only basically evil, but our nation could only actualize its God-given rights, through surrender to the Biblical principals of living taught by Jesus Christ. 

Thus, as Benjamin Franklin expressed in the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator (Jesus Christ) with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...."

Nowhere did they assume equally-distributed outcomes; just equally-distributed rights ...which eventually came as the nation matured.

Moreover, the founders believed that the only way for the nation to continue to be free, was to maintain a mutual understanding, acceptance, and commitment to, if not a reverence for, the God who offers us freedom in the first place. 

That understanding, acceptance, much less commitment, or reverence to God, doesn't exist in Marxism.  Thus, the dilemma. 

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Jackie Mason: The Investigators Need to Be Investigated



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What happened to Donald Trumps promise that every family will be able to CHOOSE what school they send their children to. This is the swamp in action.


DeVos: 'School choice' will not be mandated by Washington


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/23/devos-school-choice-will-not-be-mandated-by-washington.html
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I'm reading this as the federal government allowing choices for the states, which currently is not a choice.  Unless I'm missing something, Devos is putting measures in place to motivate states to provide choice, and made a veiled threat to those states that won't make 'choice' available to their constituents.  ??
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I'm reading this as the federal government allowing choices for the states, which currently is not a choice.  Unless I'm missing something, Devos is putting measures in place to motivate states to provide choice, and made a veiled threat to those states that won't make 'choice' available to their constituents.  ??


Hi Jay,

It sounds to me that they are leaving the decision to implement school choice up to the individual states, and we know very well what states like California will do. School choice is the single most important policy for equalizing opportunities for all children, most importantly disadvantaged children and minorities, and since most families will choose to have their children attend religious schools, the children will also receive a a strong moral foundation. How many Ben Carsons out there have never realized their full potential? Donald Trump was very very clear that: "Every child regardless of their economic background will be able to attend the school of their choice." I hope he keeps this promise.

These are the statements in the article that are of concern, and if it is true, it is absolutely outrageous. Donald Trump repeatedly said that EVERY child would have a choice.

"Betsy DeVos, the U.S. education secretary, said Monday that although President Trump’s administration will put forward plans of a historic expansion of school choice, the ultimate decision will be left with the states, not Washington."

When it comes to education, no solution, not even ones we like, should be dictated or run from Washington, D.C.,” she said.

She said states that opt out would be making a “terrible mistake” and will be “hurting the children and families who can least afford it.”

Here are the promises he made:

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Devos has been an 'extreme' advocate for school choice.  This hasn't been an 'idle' nuisance issue for her.  She's put her money where here mouth is. 

As a result, I can't believe that once in a position to enact what she believes, that she would fall back, and punt.  Unless she was forced to.  This could be temporary, or just an incremental step...?

That said, she's been against federal overreach, which primarily includes the implementation of "Common Core."  To supplant one federal mandate with another one, is just more overreach.

I guess I understand her position, and believe she's doing the best she can, without relying on heavy-handed federalism, in order to create a Utopia of school choice. 

It's like legalizing marijuana.  The federal government outlaws it nationally.  However more state governments are eschewing federal law, and not only making its distribution/consumption legal, but profiting from it.  The federal government should not be encouraged to micromanage the lives of Americans in their recreational drug use, nor where/how their kids are educated.

The fact is, a state is much more responsive to voters than the federal government is.  And states move faster.  So, if a state fails to make school choice available to their 'citizens', the voters can vote in those that are more in line with their values, or move. 

I think leftist California legislators are over-playing their cards, and there's gonna be a backlash.  Already, there is a recall effort in place to remove the GOP representative that cast the deciding vote to implement the gas tax.  He had no idea this was going to happen to him.  There's likely to be more.

Another issue here is that conservatives want small government.  Trump is NOT for small government, but for populist-controlled government; big or small is irrelevant. 

The most efficient implementation of populist government starts at the city level.  It's at this level that people can most loudly speak out, and demand changes.  And in turn, the voters vote in the school superintends of their choice.  If the voters want school choice, they have to vote in those who will give them that.  So far, not enough people are clamoring for school choice ...for whatever reasons.

But to have the federal government demand it, because they know better than voters what they should have, goes back to the big government overreach that we experience in hundreds of other areas of our governance.


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I agree with you regarding the less big government, the better. I also agree with you that it would be better if handled at the state level, but by the same logic, the South would still have slavery. I also agree with you that the voters will "probably" make things happen at some point "maybe". But this is pie in the sky idealism. Since when did the "voters" ever get in the way of the progressivist agenda? Once the democrats take power again, do you honestly believe they will be as scrupulous as you, and have any consideration for the "rights" of the people. They will squash whatever progress Trump has made, reverse and "ram down our throats" whatever agenda they have. Strike while the iron is hot, the window of opportunity is short, give people a taste of true freedom, and see what they will do if the democrats try to take it away from them.

It is a miracle that Trump won. It will be a miracle if he is allowed to implement a fraction of his agenda. It will be a miracle if he survives his first 4 year term considering the attack he is under. This is not the time to dilly dally, this is the time for action, an opportunity to reverse decades of "progressivist" corruption and social engineering, probably our last and only opportunity.

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