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Lots of good input from all.  But I think the  2  thumbnail pictures in the previous post,  even from a glance without even clicking on them,  tell the story better than all our suggestions.

The one on the left,  the new format,  there is only a tiny bit of post information,  whereas the one on the right has almost the entire screen with valuable info.

'nuff said.


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My overall suggestion for the "Everything Real Estate" page, is to duplicate the old forum's functional appearance and approach and leave the rest of the pages as they are. I don't go to the other pages anyway often enough to make me care one way or another.


Thanks for the detailed feedback. We're looking into making the new form look like the old forum!
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Greg:   On the new board, how does one edit or delete one's post ?

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Greg: On the new board, how does one edit or delete one's post ?


When you are logged in their is an EDIT button on the bottom of your post. And after you do so  it adds a tag "last edited on xx/xx/xx, kind of a nice feature".

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Question #1: So, do I do this before I post a reply, or can I push this button after I post a reply? 

Question #2: Where is that button?  I looked all around. Honest, I'm not given you a bad time I simply can't find it.
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rlc,

I can only see the button when I am logged on and looking at my posts.  Then it near the quote and reply buttons.



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I'm sorry, I still can't find it. I just check my last post and I can't find the "quote" or "reply" button. There was nothing there except at the bottom of my post, the following:

Maybe the web-guy can change the color of that edit (delete) button or something.

When I return to this board, logged on, and see a post I made, there is a "edit/delete" key in the bottom right corner of the post; nothing more. This is very clean and straightforward.

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honestly, if I was the web master, I would close this old board ASAP.

Not good to have 2 systems parallel, readers are too lazy to monitor 2 sites, and it's just destructive for the community.

Personally, I'd prefer they close the new board or get some other board software. I see improvements but that ugly big default avatar for users who have not uploaded a photo.. that has to go.

That said, obviously I am posting *here*, which has my preferred look-and-feel.

Happy New Year everybody and hopefully, the admin makes the right choice.

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....That said, obviously I am posting *here*, which has my preferred look-and-feel.

Happy New Year everybody and hopefully, the admin makes the right choice.



As long as there are two boards in use, I plan to post on this (old) one.  If all old posts are ported over to the new board as planned, then I will make the transition to the new board along with the archives. 

I'm not sure that everyone fully appreciated how important the archives are to many of the posters on this board.  It is very common to revitalize old threads by adding to them months or even years after previous contributions.  It would be very regrettable if this possibility is lost, along with the rich history of many great but temporarily buried threads.  I've got my favorite buried threads, and I know that others have theirs as well.  

Let's hope that the archives can get ported over as planned without trouble.

Happy New Year to all!
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I agree that preserving the archives it very important.

The archives are also great for doing quick research for answers without having to wait for possible response.  It nice to be able to look real quick for an answer.

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The "archives" ARE this forum!  This, or any, new forum is practically of no value without the critical mass of earlier posts that are now easily accessible.  I refer to them regularly for information, inspiration and research, not to mention the referrals and links.
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BTW, as a professional marketer it's just hilarious how I allow myself to fall prey to a "scarcity" mentality when faced with the potential loss of this old forum. 

It's like how a drug pusher might react if his "mule," all of the sudden, disappeared with three million dollars worth of crack.  [Ok, I don't know exactly how that translates, but nevertheless, the potential threat of loss of access or disappearance of the archives is just scary!]

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After thinking a little about all the hiccups regarding the new forum format, it occurred to me that "we" could do the following to maintian continuity with the old and new forums:
  1. Leave the new site alone.
  2. Redirct the "Everything Real Estate" link to the "old" discussion forum page.
  3. Leave the archives where they are.
As time permits, the old forum can be migrated (duplicated) into the new site, with the updated look and feel, without losing the superior focus and function of the old format.

Just some thoughts.  Time to get to get back to the interweb. 


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Here's a really far out, complex and creative idea:

Ditch the new board. 

The posters who have enjoyed posting on SDCIA for a while, myself included, dislike the new board and are very happy with the old one due to its ease of use and book-like feel. Part of the attraction is you don't have to be a techie to use it.

Since the overwhelming majority of the community dislikes the new board , just ditch it already and adapt whatever techie innovations you need to make to the old one.

This isn't rocket science folks.
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Shocked, shocked I tell you! That's how it was when I came round to visit my SDCIA bookmark. Of course I was directed over to the new site and what the heck? blink blink check URL try to come in again what the heck is going on I must have landed in a parallel universe.

Not only the look and feel but the volume of posting and all the old threads... gone. To tell the truth, I went away and thought I wouldn't come back. I often read late at night and I just didn't have the stomach for starting over again. Making yet another registration, more webforms, different username and password requirements and who knows what else to figure out. And for the small list of threads on offer? It really didn't look like it was worth it.

Only in the light of day and with renewed energy (optimism?) did I come back for another go, actually read some of the threads and discover the pointer to how to get into the old site. And here I am.

And darned if the archives aren't a key issue - I had come by precisely because I knew I'd made some predictions, as had some others, about a year ago, and I was interested to see what manner of foul prognostication I had uttered. Maybe it's better the archives DID go away

I think the new webmaster may have misjudged the relative age pool of the contributors here. At this point I'm not really interested in a graphically rich experience. I'm not interested in Twitter Flickr Facebook younameit. I don't want to be poked. I don't care to be linkedin. All I want is quick and functional (isn't that after all what allowed Google to take over the world?). I just want to read what looks interesting, post if I have anything to say, and be on my way. Although I can tell you in side by side windows in my browser, 4 threads fit onscreen on the new site compared to 13 threads on the old. To me that's graphically rich.

All that said, if the change is gonna come, I will endeavor to make it so long as the archives come along too. Lose those and you're throwing out years and years of collective wisdom and the entire value and historical memory of the site. 

So, now that I've found 'em, onward to the 2008 predictions, which I will review under the appropriate 2009 predictions thread.
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It's time to declare that the experiment has failed.  Many RE boards compete in vain to get the web traffic this site has already achieved.  Why would you want to throw that away?  And you don't really want to part with the archives, right?  My impression is that the web traffic to the new site, has, if anything, decreased after the initial novelty wore off.  This dog just isn't gonna hunt.   

I think that socalcia provides a cautionary tale.  (BTW, I have nothing against this website or its contributers.  Nothing personal, here.  And in terms of RE clubs, the more the merrier, and all that).  But it's my impression that web traffic on that site has been reduced considerably.  They simply let their web traffic die when the site was attacked by hackers---a bad choice, IMHO.  (Just my 2 cents here; I have no way of measuring this.  And I am NOT saying the reduction is a good thing.)  I realize that they have gotten their webstite back online--but I'm not sure that their web traffic recovered.  At some point, the posters just get out of the habit of frequenting a website.   I would hate for this website to follow suit.

And it is the web traffic that is important.  That's what keeps posters and advertisers wanting to come back---the web traffic.  If you keep logging onto a website where nothing ever changes---you eventually figure out it's not worth going there.

Woody Allen once gave an analogy in which he said--that relationships are like a shark.  The shark has to keep moving---forcing water through its gills---otherwise, it dies.  I think what we've got here is a dead shark.   All the attempts to revive it have been futile. 

Notwithstanding the admitted good intentions of those tech types who are intent in improving our lives, sometimes new and improved isn't.
Remember when Coca Cola tried to substitute Classic Coke with some newfangled substitute. Uh Huh. 

Anyway, the best posters on this board are not exactly slaves to fashion, IMHO.  They are dinosaurs---like Bruce. Mike Cantu, Ward Hannigan---the list goes on and on.  (I don't mind if they object to the label---but, let's face it---any RE investor who can survive for decades must know something.  I don't think these guys really believe they are doing something new and radical--they are simply doing what they have pretty much always done---at least, in this type of market.)  What dinosaurs like is something time-tested and reliable---not the newest fad!  The old website is like a worn pair of old sneakers----you don't have to break it in, it already is!  It's familiar. It's comforting that some things in your life do NOT have to change---while everything else is.  That's my 2 cents.

IMHO, the new website is a failed experiment.  It doesn't possess a fraction of the vitality of the old website.  (BTW, I'm announcing this here because it would reach very few people on the new website.)

Let's have an online funeral! R.I.P.




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I am not likely to keep viewing/posting if the old board is shut down.  I honestly can't stand the new board.

Then again, maybe that is a good thing for all of you!!! 

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Generally speaking I think traffic is down due to the nature of the re market. 

Any change good or bad is hard for the masses to accept.  I would not have expected this kind of response, nor do I recall a similar response when they made a forum/board change back in early 2005.

My guess is that this one will go down and a small group will go over to the new board.  And over time it will grow, as the re investment market grows. 

I will continue to periodically click the link I have to this site on my iGoogle page.

Like Smithosity I most likely will not post to the other site. 

This seems similar to what the socalcia did a couple of years back.  They created a new forum (I think the hope was to get it as popular as the sdcia forum) and it never really took, I hope the same thing does not happen, but it seems that it is too late.



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First off,  yes,  I learned from Bruce back in  1999  that the real estate cycle not only affects appreciation but so many other facets,  one being the numbers of participants.

Regarding realtors and mortgage brokers and the other  "professionals",  the estimates are that  30 %  of all of them fade out and go back to what they were doing before the wonderful appreciation leg where everyone made easy money.

Regarding investors and clubs,  Bruce just talked about how the room fills up to overflowing and standing room only during the end of the appreciation leg and it is now shrinking back to a realistic number as we  "speak".

Now about the Message Board,  I mentioned before that I have been in here since  2001,  and Taddy is referring to the overhaul in  2005,  which many didn't like either for various reasons.  So this isn't the first time we had this debate.  We were real concerned with the loss of archives at that time too.

Now the archives from  2001  to  2005  would be an awesome thing to check out too,  are they still available ?    You would be able to see how myself and others were selling at the top and and so many others were arguing with us basically ignoring Bruce's data,  and of course lots of sorrow stories there.

You would also see how the subject to and lease option businesses were thriving and we were ignoring buying from lenders and there were virtually zero short sales.  And of course all the buy and hold people were having a ball too  . . .  lol.

I guess  SDCIA  really needs to define internally what the purpose and benefit of this forum is from their point of view and make a decision on it's future congruent with that.

I vote for this format as a link from the new website menu.









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Reminds me to this techie joke.

"This is an object-oriented system. If anything changes, the users object."


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Just make the new board look and feel like the old board and most of the current users will be happy. The board software packages these days let you customize all sorts of "appearance" features. So get rid of the big blocky graphics, and streamline it into a nice beige, white, and grey theme. Then port over all of the archives and you'll be done.
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Larry,

Funny you mentioned the SoCALCIA board; the first time I saw the new board, my first reaction was that it looks just like the SoCAL board.  Last time I checked, that board had absolutely no traffic. 

I'd hate for this board to wind up the same way; it would be a shame.

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Attention all die-hards!

Please begin posting any new topics over the new board. Note how nice we are? This is VOLUNTARY. We want you to get used to it. But I'll keep this thread right HERE on the old board so we can continue the discussion about what you love and hate about the new board.

Please visit the new board now and notice the recent cosmetic changes. Then come back here to discuss.

Note that maintaining all this content in a search-able format will be priority.  We think we can even resurrect the "ancient" board that existed before March 12 2005.
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Greg,

I can certainly understand not wanting a bunch of carping about the new forum being embedded for life on the new forum, but I still don't quite understand the need for 'complete' overhaul of the old board, just to take care of the following problems you outlined several days ago.

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We are mainly trying to improve the way members register, and get automated updates, passwords etc.


Being redirected to a car dealership site, of all things, after clicking on update links is annoying.  However, that had been going on for a l-o-o-o-o-ng time, and represents a minor annoyance in comparison to changing up the entire forum experience. 

I've had zero problems with this forum aside from the update links.  If I could have turned them off, somehow, I would have, because they were unnecessary since I  routinely visit this forum. 

Frankly I turned the updates on once, only because "I could," not because they were particularly helpful.  Anyway.


BTW, what's the hurry to migrate?  If the new forum is superior, then it'll catch on regardless of what us rigid old "farts" want.

Yes, I just called myself a "fart!" 

Wait!  Uh.......................................ahhhh.  





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Yes, I just called myself a "fart!" 

Wait!  Uh.......................................ahhhh.  




LOL

There's no need to make a big stink about it.
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I can certainly understand not wanting a bunch of carping about the new forum being embedded for life on the new forum, but I still don't quite understand the need for 'complete' overhaul of the old board, just to take care of the following problems you outlined several days ago.

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We are mainly trying to improve the way members register, and get automated updates, passwords etc.


Being redirected to a car dealership site, of all things, after clicking on update links is annoying. However, that had been going on for a l-o-o-o-o-ng time, and represents a minor annoyance in comparison to changing up the entire forum experience.

I've had zero problems with this forum aside from the update links. If I could have turned them off, somehow, I would have, because they were unnecessary since I routinely visit this forum.

Frankly I turned the updates on once, only because "I could," not because they were particularly helpful. Anyway.


BTW, what's the hurry to migrate? If the new forum is superior, then it'll catch on regardless of what us rigid old "farts" want.

Yes, I just called myself a "fart!"

Wait! Uh.......................................ahhhh.






We don't own this board or the data. So if it goes out of business we have a problem then. Going to a standard that we own relieves that concern.

We pay for this board. Not a huge amount but it got bigger during the peak.

It's not integrated. Now that we're finally getting a handle on an automated database system, why keep this board separate with its own data base?

Greg

PS: We've set the new user avatars (icons) to look just like this old-school board, a wimpy 48x48.  I encourage the veterans to go register with their existing name and  their existing icon.
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I went to your new board. Not much to look at because no one posts there. I registered as a new user on that board. I never got a validation email. So that is as far as it goes for me.

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I went to your new board. Not much to look at because no one posts there. I registered as a new user on that board. I never got a validation email. So that is as far as it goes for me.


Lori,
Typo in your registration sent the email astray. Please try again!
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I need your feedback. I'll be suspending this board eventually and directing all traffic over to the new board.
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My feedback -- and seemingly that of most everyone else -- is that you should not suspend this board. 

I know that is not what you are looking for, but it is the truth.  I would listen to your customers.

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Greg: You don't own the content of the old board?  Meaning, you can't copy it?

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I need your feedback. I'll be suspending this board eventually and directing all traffic over to the new board.
Greg


I'm not sure whether you're aware or not, but the software that drives your "old board" is the most popular software for message boards. The reason is that it has every feature a user requires, and it works.

On the new board, unread messages are highlighted, but once the message is read and the message refreshed, the read message remains highlighted as unread. It appears there is no spell checker on the new board.
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